List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

The Gybson Boy

The Gybson Boy

ordinarylittleme said:
George V m. Mary of Teck

1) Alexandra, Princess Royal and Duchess of Windsor (1894-1972) m. Paul Blobel (1894-1951) [1]
2) Mary III of the United Kingdom (1895-1952) m. James Reid (1890-1975)
3) Victoria (1897-1965) m. Henry Lascelles (1882-1947)
4) Adelaide (1900-1974) m. Edward Cavendish (1895-1950)
5) Charlotte (1902-1942) m. Francis Manners (1897-1972)
6) Augusta (1905-1919) never married

[1] I figure this should be scandalous enough to force her to abdicate, imagining the Queen of UK married to a proud Nazi would have Parliament shitting bricks...
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Alexandra don't became queen in 1936?
 

Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
I don't even think Alexandra would be granted a title lol. She'd be that one Aunt at the party no one talks about, and it might even lead to the collapse of the monarchy itself.

James Reid as in Baron Reid?
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Suggestion: Elizabeth II and her sister are born as boys! Both their trees please
 

Nova_Philomena

Dragonboy said:
Suggestion: Elizabeth II and her sister are born as boys! Both their trees please
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George VII of the United Kingdom (b. 1926 d. 2022) m. Lady Anne Abel Smith (b. 1932 - Present) [1]
  1. Charles III of the United Kingdom (b. 1950 - Present) m. Lady Diana Spencer (b. 1961 - Present) [2]
  2. Princess Elizabeth of the United Kingdom (b. 1951 - Present) m. Gerald Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster (b. 1951 - 2016)
  3. Princess Anne of the United Kingdom (b. 1953 d. 2020) [3] m. Lord James, 31st Earl of Mar (b. 1940 - Present) [4]
  4. Prince William, Duke of York (b. 1955 - Present) [5] m. Susan Blakely (b. 1948 - Present) [6]
[1] Daughter Lady May Abel Smith (A descendant of Queen Victoria)
[2] I really want her to live! RIP Princess Diana <333
[3] Car Crash.
[4] Not Creepy.
[6] Caused Major Scandal due to her being an American and numerous years older.

I need ideas for Male!Margaret.
 
Tudorfan

Tudorfan

The year is 1553; Edward VI lives a few months longer, allowing his new succession devise to pass Parliament (in September) and become law. Jane, thus, succeeds to the throne.

  1. Jane I of England (b. 1537 - d. 1597) m. Guildford Dudley, Duke of Clarence (b. 1536 - d. 1590)
    1. Jane (stillborn b. 1560)
    2. Katherine (b. 1562 - d. 1568)
    3. Mary (b. 1564 - 1614 ) m. Francis III, King of France and I of Scotland (b. 1562 - d. 1622), reigned 1580 - 1622[1]
      1. Francis, Dauphin of France (b. 1584 - d. 1587)
      2. Mary (b &d. 1585)
      3. Francis IV, King of France and II of Scotland (b. 1587 - d. 1635)
      4. Henri, Duke of Orleans (b. 1590 - d. 1615)
      5. Charles, Duke of Angouleme (b. 1592 - d. 1626)
    4. Jane (b. 1566 - d. 10 Feb 1598) m. Sigismund I, King of Sweden and Poland (b. 1566 - d. 1632)
      1. Anne Marie (b. 23 May 1593 – d. 9 February 1600)
      2. Catherine (b. May 1594 – d. June 1594)
      3. Ladislaus (b. 9 June 1595 – d. 20 May 1648), reigned 1632–1648 as Władysław IV
      4. Catherine (b. 27 September 1596 – d. June 1597)
      5. Christopher (b&d. 10 February 1598)
    5. Guildford, Prince of Wales (b. 1568 - August 1588)[2]
    6. Robert I, King of England (b. 1570 - d. 1625) m. Anne of Denmark (b. 1574 - d. 1619)
      1. Henry IX of England (b. 1594)
      2. Elizabeth (b. 1596)
      3. Charles (b. 1600)

  1. Mary Tudor (b. 1516 - d. 28 November 1553); executed after attempting to take the throne after Edward's death
  2. Elizabeth Tudor, Duchess of Leicester (b. 7 Sept 1533 - d. 24 March 1603) m. Robert Dudley, Duke of Leicester (b. 24 June 1532 - d. August 1588)[2]
    1. Robert Dudley, Lord Denbigh (b. 1562 - d. August 1588)[2]
    2. Elizabeth, Countess of Essex (b. 1564 - ) m. Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex (b. 10 Nov 1565)
    3. Anne (b. 1566 - d. 1580)
    4. Henry, 2nd Duke of Leicester
[1] ALT son of Mary of Scotland and Francis II of France, who doesn't die and survives to become King of France and Scotland
[2] All die in a ship that is sunk in the fight against the Spanish Armada, August 1588.
 
Tudorfan

Tudorfan

Dragonboy said:
@Tudorfan ! Suggestion for you: Juan, heir of the catholic moanrchs, survives to rule spain.
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I may or may not have gone a little mad with this...

  1. Juan III, King of Castile, Aragon and Leon (b. 30 June 1478 - d. 1538) m. Margaret of Austria, Queen of Castile, Aragon and Leon (b. 10 January 1480 - d. 1 December 1530)
    1. Margaret (b. July 1497 - d. 1535) m. Louis XII, King of France (b. 27 June 1462 - d. 1 Jan 1515)
      1. Louis XIII, King of France (b. July 1515 - d. 10 July 1559)[1] m. Mary, Queen of France (b. 18 February 1516 - d. 17 November 1558)[2]
        1. Louis XIV, King of France (b. 1535 - d. 1570)
        2. Catherine (b. 1537 - d. 1561) m. Philip II, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1527 - d. 1598)[3]
        3. Francis, Duke of Orleans (b. 1540 - d. 1566)
        4. Jean, Duke of Angouleme (b. 1542 - d. 10 June 1584)
    2. Juan IV, King of Spain (b. December 1498 - d. 1542) m. Claude, Duchess of Brittany (b. 13 October 1499 - d. 20 July 1524)[4]
      1. Juan, Prince of Asturias and Girona (b. 1516 - d. 1536) m. Elizabeth, Princess of Asturias and Girona (b. 18 November 1518 - d. November 1534) [2]
        1. Juan V, King of Spain (b. November 1534 - d. 1585)
      2. Margaret (b&d. 1518)
      3. Isabel (b. 1520 - d. 1525)
      4. Joanna (b. 1522 - 1560; nun, unmarried)
      5. Charles (b. 20 July 1524 - d. 18 October 1564)
    3. Ferdinand of Spain (b. February 1501 - d. 24 February 1525)[5]
    4. Isabel, Queen of England (b. October 1503 - d. June 1528)[6] m. Arthur II, King of England (b. March 1503 - d. 1550) [2]
      1. Arthur, Prince of Wales (b. 1523 - d. June 1528) [6]
      2. Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1525 - d. 1575)
      3. Isabel (b&d. 1528)
    5. Maximilian (b&d. January 1506)
[1] ATL son of Louis XII, King of France; died to a lance in the face c. 1559, celebrating his daughter's marriage to ALT Philip II of Spain.
[2] Arthur II, Elizabeth and Mary are three of the children of a surviving Arthur Tudor and his wife, Catherine of Aragon.
[3] Born on Schedule, Philip is just Duke of Burgundy in this timeline, since his father (Charles, son of Philip and Joanna) is never King of Spain
[4] Marriage is allowed because Louis XII has a living son.
[5] Dies fighting at Pavia for the Spanish.
[6] Killed in the sweating sickness c. June 1528
 

Andrewtsal

Ladislaus the Posthumous lives a longer healthier life.
  • Ladislaus V, King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1440, d. 1501) m. Magdalena of Valois, Princess of France (b. 1443, d. 1495
    • Albert II, King of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1462, d. 1527) m. Kunigunde of Austria (b. 1465, d. 1520)
    • Elizabeth, Princess of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1463, d. 1508) m. Wladyslaw IV, King of Poland (b. 1456, d. 1516)
    • Ladislaus, Duke of Further Austria (b. 1466, d. 1519) m. Sibylle of Brandenburg (b. 1467, d. 1524)
    • Mary, Princess of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1466, d. 1492) m. Ferdinand II, King of Naples (b. 1467, d. 1504)
 

Zygmunt Stary

Jan Olbracht said:
Well, even hereditary monarchy like Sweden under Vasas saw 2 usurpations, GDL was usurped by Kazimierz Jagiellończyk against brother's will. And Polish nobles had to swear to Mary d'Anjou before, so nothing is guaranteed.
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They didn't backtrack on that out of their free will (at least those who still supported Angevins), Elizabeth of Bosnia could choose which daughter gets the throne, so she did, and maybe Louis would be usurped, but I think he'd ascend the throne after his father dies, especially with the lineup you give he might be very well in Poland, idk if duke of Slavonia (because before his eldest brother ganks it Louis would be probably duke of Slavonia) had to be physically present in Slavonia, but I don't think Vladislaus III would expect to die after his firstborn died, according to your tree he isn't super old at the time of his death, so he'd probably send his heir, Louis as viceroy to either Kraków or Praga (idk what would be considered more important) so he could be crowned right away in either Kraków or Prague, and btw who is HRE in that tree?
 
Marc Anthony

Marc Anthony

Eadred, King of England (b. 923 d. 955) r. 937-955* m. Ælfgifu of Shaftsbury.
1. Edward II, King of England (b. 940 d. 968) m. [A] Ælfgifu (b. 941 d. 959). Ælfthrith (b. 948 d.1002).
2. Eadgifu (b. 942 d. 1005) m. Kenneth II, King of Alba (b. 941 d. 987).
2. Athelstan II (b. 945 d. 995) m. Ælfthrith**
A. Edward III (b. 971 d.1035)
B. Alfred (b. 974 d. 1017) Eldorman of East Anglia. Had issue.
C. Athelflaed ( b. 977 d. 1029) m. Haakon I of Dublin. Had issue


* his brothers Athelstan I and Edmund (Edmund I IOTL) fell at Brunanbruh.

** Ælfthrith who In our history was the wife of King Edgar. Here she marries first Edward II and then his brother Athelstan and yes, I deliberately gave her eldest son the name Edward as a refrence to Edward the Martyr


This isn't the best version since I didn't have the time so I'll fix it later
 

Kellan Sullivan

ordinarylittleme said:
George V m. Mary of Teck

1) Alexandra, Princess Royal and Duchess of Windsor (1894-1972) m. Paul Blobel (1894-1951) [1]
2) Mary III of the United Kingdom (1895-1952) m. James Reid (1890-1975)
3) Victoria (1897-1965) m. Henry Lascelles (1882-1947)
4) Adelaide (1900-1974) m. Edward Cavendish (1895-1950)
5) Charlotte (1902-1942) m. Francis Manners (1897-1972)
6) Augusta (1905-1919) never married

[1] I figure this should be scandalous enough to force her to abdicate, imagining the Queen of UK married to a proud Nazi would have Parliament shitting bricks...
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firstly, it's cute that you think Alexandra would be allowed to remain single until 1931 (when Blobel joined the Nazi party). She's the heiress to the British throne, she's marrying in the 1910s- 1920 is the latest. So unless she meets Blobel before then- in which case he won't become a Nazi since why would he be in Germany bitter about losing his job if he's the consort of the British heiress?

Secondly, given that Edward VIII's sterility resulted from a case of mumps he contracted in France while on active duty IIRC, Alexandra won't have the same problem (why? mumps doesn't affect little girls the same as it does little boys AIUI).

So, we'd have a girl- Victoria II (she'd be named after her great-grandma, not her grandma- as was OTL Mary, Princess Royal) or Mary III- who marries between 1914-1920. She'd be too old for the son of Max of Baden (Max's daughter was the premier candidate being considered for Edward VIII when war broke out), but Max's brother-in-law, Ernst August of Hannover (who married the Kaiser's daughter) could easily be considered (especially if his brother doesn't die in a car crash in 1912). Failing them, there wouldn't be a shortage of German princes (Alexander of Greece. Mossy of Prussia's Kassel sons (two of whom were considered for Queen Wilhelmina, etc etc) vying for the Princess Royal's hand in 1910 when her father becomes king.

And even if they decide to go domestic, godalone knows there are enough domesticated royals. Dolly of Teck's son. Dickie Mountbatten- dear God he'd be ambitious enough to try- his brother, George. Dickie's cousins, the sons of Princess Beatrice.
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

Kellan Sullivan said:
She's the heiress to the British throne, she's marrying in the 1910s- 1920 is the latest
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The OTL heir to the throne in this era married later than 1931...as long as there are siblings that can marry sooner, what does it matter? Besides, this is still Edward VIII...his female counterpart having a string of affairs with married men (or women, if we want more scandal - an openly bisexual Princess Royal in the 20th century would cause apoplexy for George V, I dare say...) instead of settling down would likely make her seen as unsuitable marriage material anyway...
Kellan Sullivan said:
Secondly, given that Edward VIII's sterility resulted from a case of mumps he contracted in France while on active duty IIRC, Alexandra won't have the same problem (why? mumps doesn't affect little girls the same as it does little boys AIUI)
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What says she can't have had fertility issues as a woman anyway? Or that the issues were on Blobel's side ITTL....or even that this issue is childless? It would only add to the scandal to have children between them, the monarch would have a hell of a time dealing with the PR for that
 
Salma Amer

Salma Amer

ordinarylittleme said:
The OTL heir to the throne in this era married later than 1931...as long as there are siblings that can marry sooner, what does it matter? Besides, this is still Edward VIII...his female counterpart having a string of affairs with married men (or women, if we want more scandal - an openly bisexual Princess Royal in the 20th century would cause apoplexy for George V, I dare say...) instead of settling down would likely make her seen as unsuitable marriage material anyway...

What says she can't have had fertility issues as a woman anyway? Or that the issues were on Blobel's side ITTL....or even that this issue is childless? It would only add to the scandal to have children between them, the monarch would have a hell of a time dealing with the PR for that
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Women differ from men because they have a specific fertility period, so they will marry early even if they have sisters
 
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