TL: UK Overseas Regions [Redux]

Apologies for misunderstanding, but I think we're talking about the same thing. OTL the UK shrunk it's military down and down to just act as part of NATO. Here, it's not shrunk quite so far; the overseas regions demand a UK presence east of suez and in the Caribbean, but the Falklands is still a jolt to the system and a reminder that there are real live wars to defend against outside of GB/Europe, and thus outside of the NATO umbrella. The re-appraisal is the jolt that the UK needs to continue to maintain a real, deployable, credible force outside of the NATO umbrella.
Yes we are. I just have other NATO countries with the same type of considerations besides the UK in mind. Spain holds cities on the Moroccan coast. France has overseas departments in South America and the Indian Ocean. The Netherlands has constituent countries and special municipalities in the Carribean. All of these territories are not covered by the terms of the NATO treaty. With the UK integrating Carribean holdings, the region really becomes closely intertwined with Europe. Maybe the European powers involved would consider further cooperation because of it? Because I can see European powers without such a stake rejecting cooperation on the EU level on the matter.
perhaps it goes the other way and the Anglo-French site 'Personel' which specialises in chat/organisation/photos takes the US be storm instead.
Hyves goes international timeline???
 
So, until now, I actually don't really know how to respond to the new updates...since I think I need to do some rereading of something...so let's see
It was Heath's attempts to lead the United Kingdom in to the EEC which led to constitutional reforms and the concept of the "British Realm" which would be law which applied to the entire United Kingdom - as such a "British Law" (sometimes called "Law of the Realm") referred to a law of a national basis affecting the full union of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland & Overseas Regions - as well as the remaining Empire overseas. This was as opposed to "English Law" which would continue to be used for matters specifically pertaining to English & Welsh affairs (similar to Scots Law for Scotland and Irish Law for Northern Ireland).
Yeah...I think as the devolution evolves... IMO perhaps the Law of the Realm could perhaps be the dominant name since there would be a probable that eventually there would be proper terms based on the a tiered system of laws, from top to bottom
The European Communities Law- Basically the EEC law
The British Realms Law- The one applied to the whole Britain union...
The Home Nation Law - This term is applied for the English Law, Scots Law, (Northern) Irish Law, Malta Law etc...
The Local Laws - This term would probably applied to local authorities (GLC, MCCs etc...)
Handing in his intent to resign, Heath’s time in politics was over as he handed over the reins of the Conservative Party to new blood, and waved goodbye to Number 10.
Hopefully it won't be a Thatcherite that succeed Heath.....
Re UK deals with India: the latter may have greater confidence in the UK because of the UK's stronger position in the Mediterranean (integration of Malta and Gibraltar) and in the western Indian Ocean (integration of the Seychelles with air and naval presence there).
It would probably worry them a bit especially since the UK will probably have ships going up and down the African coast and out into the Indian Ocean and further. Though probably closer ties to a degree since there will be a lot RN visits and
Err...by the time the independence (and the partition) of India is done...the OTL path of India-UK relations had been set...as in frosty as the highlands of Kashmir, since IIRC India was (and somehow still is) calling for a demilitarization of the Indian Ocean (and probably will definitely opposed the integration of the Seychelles into the UK), and while the UK is not as close to the US ITTL, it is still having a close relationship with the Portuguese, and as such, didn't really take well of the fact that India decided to retake Goa....
perhaps a change could be made in 1971, with the UK having presence at the Indian Ocean knows about the atrocities in Bangladesh immediately decided to aid India & Bangladesh (just on humanitarian aspect though, more on that later)...of course, this would only change the relationship in terms of diplomatic and military...since as for
"economic ties".
I am not joking...I think you have forgotten the major reason why, up until the 1990s India didn't really have any significant economic ties with any country really, and unless things would seriously change before that...I doubt there would be any changes here....

Standardising on English as a working language - often attributed to the strong US position in the market, the project elected for metric measurements and instrumentation in the face of existing French standards and British efforts to convert to the metric system. This is often quoted as a major reason why European airline systems are today all in metric units, which was later also adopted almost the entirety of Australasia, Asia and Africa (*7).
(*7) I might rewrite this based on feedback if needed, but as far as I can tell, the aviation market uses imperial measurements due to the widespread use of American planes in the infancy of the aviation market. The introduction of this early Airbus, based on UK-French co-operation - with the French already metric, and the UK at this point going metric, might swing much of the market. As far as I can tell, the Soviet Union and China at least used to use metric aviation measurements, so I figured that with the UK-French attempt, the Soviet Union, China and their exports of Airbus planes, it might swing the market in Europe, Africa, Asia, Australasia to metric aviation. If anyone can dig up more detailed information which would invalidate this, please let me know, but that's as far as I could get.
So unless Airbus ITTL definitely double down on the Silk Road strategy (perhaps lobbying the Australian government to relax its regulated domestic air transport policy, try to swoop in and somehow persuade China to try their new plane rather than the Boeing 707 {Hawker Siddeley should play a huge role in this, that being said the aforementioned Bangladesh issue [since China is a closed ally of Pakistan] could present a problem}, Vietnam, FPDA etc...) and decided to neglect any attempts in market its plane to America, while at the same time, the European pressured on the ICAO to call for metrification earlier and more louder, I kinda doubt that could potentially happen...in fact IIRC, IOTL, the determination to break into the American is so huge that they decided to designed the plane itself entirely on imperial measurement and using American components...
 
Also on I assume that the Scotland ni and Welsh office +remnants of the colonial office would be merged together as i doubt Malta and co would get an office
 
Chapter 8: Thatcher

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Margaret Thatcher
Conservative Premiership, 1983-1986

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The Conservative Party continues to be a supporter of British membership of Europe despite some ideological differences,. (*1)

Thatcher was the seemingly unlikely winner of the leadership election to succeed Heath as Conservative Party leader, and thus British Prime Minister. Coming to power as an apparently last ditch effort by the Commonwealth wings of the Conservatives (often nicknamed the Empire Tories), they saw Britain's future as more actively engaging with Commonwealth partners, and a closer relationship with the United States, in contrast to the European wing spearheaded by her predecessor (Heath) who had taken the United Kingdom in to the European Community.

Thatcher did not last long in the role though, as the public perceived her as a sharp “turn to the right”, and with overly enthusiastic strategies for deregulation and free market reforms. She was, however, Britain’s first female Prime Minister, and set the stage for future female leaders - however, she was also the first Prime Minister in a long time to face a serious assassination attempt as the Provisional Irish Republican Army reacted unkindly to her statement in Parliament that “Northern Irish affairs were solely a matter for the people of Northern Ireland, the Northern Irish Assembly, and this Parliament alone” - the last words referring to the British Parliament, and a sharp rejection of Irish unification (*2).

Integration in to the UK also continued in the West Indies. The introduction of British taxation to the islands caused a shock - especially the new Value Added Tax, but the provision of publicly funded services and investment in to the islands brought new funding to the islands. Renovation of the main airport in Barbados began during Thatcher’s period as Prime Minister, serving a dual purpose as the key aviation hub in the British Caribbean, whilst also being a principal military base for both the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy in the aftermath of the Grenada affair. The integration of the West Indies to the United Kingdom (*3) also presented an element of regional integration; for the first time it produced full freedom of movement for citizens, and also freedom of movement for business and goods - even with the adjacent French islands of Guadeloupe and Martinique considering both were now European Community territories (as well as Dutch islands too). With full UK integration, West Indies goods and produce began to appear more frequently in UK shops, whilst a small trickle of people began to migrate, enticed by British universities & further education, or just the prospect of better jobs and wages.

Whilst again Thatcher would not welcome any new territory in to the United Kingdom; the focus was firmly on integrating what had already been accepted. Enlargement of the UK-Irish Common Travel Area occurred, which introduced the overseas regions of the United Kingdom in to the Common Travel Area, at the cost of requiring some form of official ID for flights (checked during boarding) - which kept Northern Ireland on the same level as the rest of the United Kingdom. Territory continued to slip away from the British Empire; Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia), Vanuatu, Solomon Islands, and several other smaller Pacific island territories gained independence. The embargo over Rhodesian trade had not been entirely successful, but had been enough of a pain to bring the Rhodesians back to the negotiating table, producing a roadmap to democracy and legal independence as the nation of Zimbabwe. A brief British flirtation with the United States commenced (*4), with Thatcher and Bush finding ample common ground on conservatism and reducing taxation. However, beyond the two of them, there were now a multitude of smaller issues in the relationship ranging from US Senators who saw the UK integration of the West Indies as the UK "barging in to the US yard" or an "outright violation" of the US Monroe Doctrine, whilst in the UK some resented what they perceived as US interference in British policy making or just resented some American viewpoints on the British integration of the West Indies.

Domestically however, things were creaking. Intentionally or not, much of Heath's Premiership had been focussed on foreign affairs, whether dealing with situations in Grenada or the Falklands, or accession to the European Community. Public services had received less attention in Parliament with such focus overseas, but the reality was that some services had been creaking, especially in England and Wales where no devolution existed. Reform began with a business led re-organisation of British Rail which sapped considerable public resources, and transformation (to a state-owned company) or outright privatisation of some public organisations such as the National Freight Corporation or the British Airport Authority. Many social housing tenants received the ability to purchase their homes, and several public utilities were reorganised such as the split of what would become the Royal Mail and British Telecommunications, as well as the reformation of the CEGB (for Great Britain, the Central Electricity Generation Board) in to British Electric which continues to market itself as British Electrical Energy, and known domestically as "the bee". Smaller efforts such as the liberalisation of Sunday trading laws also passed, despite significant opposition (*5).

Thatcher was also the first Prime Minister to visit China (People's Republic of), where initial discussions began over the future of Hong Kong - much of the territory being under a lease which would expire in 1997. Negotiations began over the future of the overseas territory, with Thatcher lobbying hard for some kind of future role for Britain in Hong Kong, but Zhao rebutted all attempts at a British continuation. Her key target with regards to Hong Kong, despite the ticking lease issue over the New Territories, was a commitment from the Chinese to pursue their aim of unification peacefully and diplomatically instead of marching in and taking it by force, and Thatcher appears to have succeeded in this regard (*6). Negotiations were paused by the holding of Thatcher’s 1986 election, something which further emboldened the Chinese negotiators.

The 1986 election, held 4 years after the previous election, was called for when Thatcher thought she was at her strongest. This followed some successful privatisations of businesses, along with continued success in integrating the overseas regions of the United Kingdom, and some grandstanding on the world stage. However, it wasn’t enough to win the election. Her economic methods, pursuing low inflation to attract investment over employment figures had caused significant disaffection, particularly in the north of England, within only 3 years of her taking charge of the country. 1986 would therefore see the end to 8 years of Conservative rule - the first time since the 1950s/1960s a British Government had stayed in power for more than one election.

Later historians have, however, credited her early election with avoiding a greater fall for the Conservatives. The election could have easily gone far worse then it did, but the rapid drop of Thatcher after the election and swing back to more "moderate Conservatism" led to the rise of the later Reformation party who sought to upset the political establishment with an anti-European, pro-US, free-trade and more aggressive deregulation philosophy - later merging with the remaining Liberal Party remnants (*7).

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Notes: Thatcher in, Thatcher out. There’s no Falkland shield around her this time - Heath holds that - and so her economic reforms have doomed her, even before her OTL larger economic reforms could take place. I debated whether to include Thatcher here, or have her replaced by someone else, but I figured the right-wing section of the Conservatives will manifest themselves one way or another.

(*1) Ironic picture I think, considering what was to come....
(*2) Although in this TL, Northern Ireland isn't as violent as OTL (especially without Bloody Sunday), it's still a highly divided community and comments as brash as Thatcher's won't be well received.
(*3) Continuing here, integration taking the form not just of investment in the overseas regions, but also in the elimination of vile rules such as racist employment policies.
(*4) Whilst I think the US-UK relations won't be negative, nor will they be bad, they just won't be as tight as OTL. There are a lot of common objectives, especially as part of the Cold War.
(*5) Some privatisations happen here, and some reformation of public bodies such as the British Airport Authority in to state owned corporations.
(*6) Hong Kong en route for a peaceful handover roughly as per OTL.
(*7) Whilst it won't pop up straight away, expect a right-wing UKIP/Brexit style party to pop up, even if it's not quite as popular as OTL.
 
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Also on I assume that the Scotland ni and Welsh office +remnants of the colonial office would be merged together as i doubt Malta and co would get an office

There'll still be a Scottish Office (despite devolution), Welsh Office (no devolution there), and NI Office (again despite devolution). Probably a West Indies Office as a high'ish population, but you're right there would probably be a combined Overseas Office for Malta, Gibraltar & Seychelles. PS: even in OTL, the tacit understanding for Maltese UK integration was that Malta would be transferred from the Colonial Office to the Home Office if it integrated (to be honest, it would be inappropriate to be part of the UK but still under the colonial office).
 
So Mrs T didn’t try to bring the Falklands in as part of the UK? Interesting as that what I was expecting- though perhaps with new post-war investment the Islands might consider a petition.

Do any of those Pacific Island chains ask to join Australia or New Zealand instead? That would make a fun twist.

So, monetarists being themselves we get a round of privatisations and reorganisations. Good that BR survives here as a state-owned enterprise as I am sure the Post Office, BT, and the Utilities do, should make successive govts a nice tidy pile.

Without the Thatcher Axe from ‘79, I wonder how much of British mining, shipbuilding, steel etc survives? Sure, a lot of that heavy industry is in decline, but the landing ITTL seems to be on course for a softer landing. Perhaps the incoming govt will have a plan?

I suspect Labour does not have its OTL 1986 leader here. I am hoping for John Smith instead, he seemed like a man who should have been, and would have been a great PM.

Final Q- does Ethiopia go the same as OTL or have the changes in the gulf been enough to butterfly some of the causes of the famine?

More please!
 
The biggest issue with the British Heavy industry OTL is the perfect storm of union obstructionism, nationalisation, lack of modernization and apathy, though given the push in other sectors, there may be enough impetus to get things done.

But I won’t hold my breath.
 
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The biggest issue with the British Heavy industry OTL is the perfect storm of union obstructionism, nationalisation, lack of modernization and apathy, though given the push in other sectors, there may be enough impetus to get things done.

But I won’t hold my breath.
Ah, but changed circumstances ITTL with Britain being slightly less screwed, and different PM, Presidents etc might mean the unions and modernisation are in a different relationship.
 

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Ah, but changed circumstances ITTL with Britain being slightly less screwed, and different PM, Presidents etc might mean the unions and modernisation are in a different relationship.
I doubt it.
See the different unions for riveters etc and that predates the POD. Modernisation is also a problem with management.
Also OTL Thatcher shut less coal mines than Wilson - the seams were running out and it cost too much.
 
I doubt it.
See the different unions for riveters etc and that predates the POD. Modernisation is also a problem with management.
Also OTL Thatcher shut less coal mines than Wilson - the seams were running out and it cost too much.
True she did, but went about it in a confrontational way, with Mrs T less able to make her mark here, the next leader gets to deal with the shut down of the mines, unless of course the miners strike happened on queue, but with no Falklands cos her the job?

British industry was otl quite sick by the 70’s, the ‘white heat’ never quite reached those folk in traditional jobs, or even the hidebound management. I know this, but I am hoping that changed circumstances mean something different, has happened otl- it’s unlikely but maybe Malta or Jamaican ‘inter-UK’ City breaks, or EEC subsidy, or something has moved things along a bit?

Some of this might come down to Japan and if the megacorps arrive to bring stuff cheaper, faster etc in the 70/80’s which did not help. Maybe Japan has the ‘special relationship’ with America and their efforts are concentrated that way?

It would just be nice if British heavy industry survived or had a much softer landing that the ‘hand bagging’ they got OTL.
 

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A few comments to respond to this afternoon :)

So Mrs T didn’t try to bring the Falklands in as part of the UK? Interesting as that what I was expecting- though perhaps with new post-war investment the Islands might consider a petition.
I would imagine the Falkland Islands are seriously contemplating it, but it felt a little too soon to do it.

Do any of those Pacific Island chains ask to join Australia or New Zealand instead? That would make a fun twist.
Probably not; either there's no benefit in switching for the same level of autonomy, and I can't imagine Australia taking in new territories to be honest. New Zealand perhaps, but either way I don't think it's where we'll be explicitly going. What I have considered, is some kind of triumvirate UK-Aus-NZ governorship over a swathe of Pacific Islands dependencies, looking after defence, foreign affairs, fundamental rights & good governance in the area. The UK is obviously the heavyweight military and foreign affairs partner here, but Aus and NZ give a far "closer to home" oversight in the realms in terms of fundamental rights and good governance.

So, monetarists being themselves we get a round of privatisations and reorganisations. Good that BR survives here as a state-owned enterprise as I am sure the Post Office, BT, and the Utilities do, should make successive govts a nice tidy pile.

Without the Thatcher Axe from ‘79, I wonder how much of British mining, shipbuilding, steel etc survives? Sure, a lot of that heavy industry is in decline, but the landing ITTL seems to be on course for a softer landing. Perhaps the incoming govt will have a plan?
I think a lot of heavy industry will die off, either intentionally or by the market. Trade unionism, and facing off against the government has still been rife like OTL, but things like the nuclear plants has hobbled some of the coal unions. I would guess it's slightly longer then the shock "therapy" of OTL, but to be honest it's not an area I particularly want to get bogged down in - I'm a forever optimist.

I suspect Labour does not have its OTL 1986 leader here. I am hoping for John Smith instead, he seemed like a man who should have been, and would have been a great PM.
Not sure yet, I have some outlines but it's nowhere near finished for the next PM.


Final Q- does Ethiopia go the same as OTL or have the changes in the gulf been enough to butterfly some of the causes of the famine?

More please!
Absolutely no idea on that, sorry! :)

The biggest issue with the British Heavy industry OTL is the perfect storm of union obstructionism, nationalisation, lack of modernization and apathy, though given the push in other sectors, there may be enough impetus to get things done.

But I won’t hold my breath.

I doubt it.
See the different unions for riveters etc and that predates the POD. Modernisation is also a problem with management.
Also OTL Thatcher shut less coal mines than Wilson - the seams were running out and it cost too much.

True she did, but went about it in a confrontational way, with Mrs T less able to make her mark here, the next leader gets to deal with the shut down of the mines, unless of course the miners strike happened on queue, but with no Falklands cos her the job?

British industry was otl quite sick by the 70’s, the ‘white heat’ never quite reached those folk in traditional jobs, or even the hidebound management. I know this, but I am hoping that changed circumstances mean something different, has happened otl- it’s unlikely but maybe Malta or Jamaican ‘inter-UK’ City breaks, or EEC subsidy, or something has moved things along a bit?

Some of this might come down to Japan and if the megacorps arrive to bring stuff cheaper, faster etc in the 70/80’s which did not help. Maybe Japan has the ‘special relationship’ with America and their efforts are concentrated that way?

It would just be nice if British heavy industry survived or had a much softer landing that the ‘hand bagging’ they got OTL.
I think a lot of the union strife will still be there in this TL, although some of it will be addressed in terms of tackling the "aggressive trade unionism", I think it'll stretch in to the late 1980s or early 1990s until it's completely tackled in a sustainable way. Major industry is completely uncompetitive in the UK as the 20th century wears on - for example I can't really see the car industry being much different here, although niche manufacturers in a wide array of industries are more likely to survive.

Again, not written yet, and trying to swing back towards the overseas territories that the TL was inspired instead of bogging down in UK politics too much :)
 
The integration of the West Indies to the United Kingdom (*3) also presented an element of regional integration; for the first time it produced full freedom of movement for citizens, and also freedom of movement for business and goods - even with the adjacent French islands of Guadeloupe and Martinique considering both were now European Community territories (as well as Dutch islands too). With full UK integration, West Indies goods and produce began to appear more frequently in UK shops, whilst a small trickle of people began to migrate, enticed by British universities & further education, or just the prospect of better jobs and wages.
I do wonder if the integration of the British West Indies would effect the integration of the other Caribbean territories into the EEC...this is hinting at something...but I don't know much in this regard to even create a guess....
Domestically however, things were creaking. Intentionally or not, much of Heath's Premiership had been focussed on foreign affairs, whether dealing with situations in Grenada or the Falklands, or accession to the European Community. Public services had received less attention in Parliament with such focus overseas, but the reality was that some services had been creaking, especially in England and Wales where no devolution existed. Reform began with a business led re-organisation of British Rail which sapped considerable public resources, a
That seem ominous...the ITTL Sectorisation is a failure I guess..?
Thatcher was also the first Prime Minister to visit China (People's Republic of), where initial discussions began over the future of Hong Kong - much of the territory being under a lease which would expire in 1997. Negotiations began over the future of the overseas territory, with Thatcher lobbying hard for some kind of future role for Britain in Hong Kong, but Zhao Ziyang rebutted all attempts at a British continuation. Her key target with regards to Hong Kong, despite the ticking lease issue over the New Territories, was a commitment from the Chinese to pursue their aim of unification peacefully and diplomatically instead of marching in and taking it by force, and Thatcher appears to have succeeded in this regard (*6). Negotiations were paused by the holding of Thatcher’s 1986 election, something which further emboldened the Chinese negotiators.
Well..speaking of Zhao Ziyang...(errm you do realised as Chinese names is family name first, people usually refer him as Zhao, rather than Ziyang)...I do wonder if the butterflies would effect the 1989 event, and perhaps set China into...something that is more in Zhao's vision rather than Jiang Zemin's...
Without the Thatcher Axe from ‘79, I wonder how much of British mining, shipbuilding, steel etc survives? Sure, a lot of that heavy industry is in decline, but the landing ITTL seems to be on course for a softer landing. Perhaps the incoming govt will have a plan?
Perhaps the latter two will definitely be better due to the fact the need of satisfying the demand of shipping between the regions in the realm....
 

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I do wonder if the integration of the British West Indies would effect the integration of the other Caribbean territories into the EEC...this is hinting at something...but I don't know much in this regard to even create a guess....
I don't know that it would affect it directly that much, but obviously the EEC provides a means for regional integration in the West Indies via the metropole. Indirectly, I guess there will be consequences. The UK has made it clear "integration means integration" - if you want to integrate then fine, but that means the whole shebang. No half-in, half-out status unless there is a bloody good reason. This means the likes of the British West Indies here will be using the pound sterling, part of the customs union, VAT area, elections to the European Parliament and part of the UK-IE Common Travel Area (albeit with some identity check for all flights unlike OTL). French territories such as Guadeloupe and Martinique are likewise outermost areas and integral parts of the French republic, so you can see some local support for EU integration as a method of making regional life easier, which means that European Parliament elections in the area will be...complicated.

That seem ominous...the ITTL Sectorisation is a failure I guess..?
What I meant is that Heath has been too busy to really focus on domestic stuff, therefore it's Thatcher who has pushed through business re-organisation (ie. Sectorisation) for British Rail.

Well..speaking of Zhao Ziyang...(errm you do realised as Chinese names is family name first, people usually refer him as Zhao, rather than Ziyang)...I do wonder if the butterflies would effect the 1989 event, and perhaps set China into...something that is more in Zhao's vision rather than Jiang Zemin's...
Ooops, yes I did know (I talk almost every day to the Japanese side of my employer who also do family name first), but somehow missed that. Correcting now....

By this point, if someone wanted to, butterflies could easily coalesce around the world and make things very different to OTL. I probably won't go massively down this route, but there will be elements, but here I think China will stay roughly on the same path (at least so far).

Perhaps the latter two will definitely be better due to the fact the need of satisfying the demand of shipping between the regions in the realm....
Shipbuilding, even if just domestic naval requirements will presumably be a little better, which indirectly will feed in to steel, but it's not going to be orders of multitude bigger. Not sure.
 
Shipbuilding, even if just domestic naval requirements will presumably be a little better, which indirectly will feed in to steel, but it's not going to be orders of multitude bigger. Not sure.
There maybe a slight uptick in Coasters in the Caribbean and maybe in Europe and the like to keep ports going as well as maybe in more luxury style ships like cruise ships and some liners.

But I don't think it will be enough to save British shipbuilding there is too much tail wagging the dog and lack of modernisation.

Military contracts may do more to save its more specialist areas given the greater ocean area to cover and maybe some abroad intrest but it will die for things like cargo and tanker vessel.
 
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Indirectly, I guess there will be consequences. The UK has made it clear "integration means integration" - if you want to integrate then fine, but that means the whole shebang. No half-in, half-out status unless there is a bloody good reason. This means the likes of the British West Indies here will be using the pound sterling, part of the customs union, VAT area, elections to the European Parliament and part of the UK-IE Common Travel Area (albeit with some identity check for all flights unlike OTL). French territories such as Guadeloupe and Martinique are likewise outermost areas and integral parts of the French republic, so you can see some local support for EU integration as a method of making regional life easier, which means that European Parliament elections in the area will be...complicated.
Guadeloupe, Martinique and Réunion have a special VAT rate (8% against 20% in Europe) while Guyane and Mayote have no VAT. But all 5 have special taxes called 'octroi de mer' which is basically an import tax to finance local councils.

Those 5 DROM have a special fiscal status within the custom union, like Canarias islands.
 
Industrial modernisation could happen here just due to the changed world Britain is in - sure its not a 'Commonwealth wank' by any means at all, but without the 'special relationship' being as special, with earlier EEC membership, with French cooperation, and German competition, plus a closer relationship with a lot of the Commonwealth, then I could just see enough butterflies to change the attitude of industrial heads, and even the unions towards modernisation - Heath did a lot to encourage investment and diversification for example.

It's not saving everything, and there will still be a drop off, but its should be a much, much softer slope for the families in the industrial north, midlands, and Wales than the cliff edge Thatcher pushed them off OTL, at least IMHO.
 
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